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Re: Re : Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in t....

Posted By: david@smooth1.co.uk
Date: Monday, 12 August 2013, at 7:11 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Re : Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the s (Art Kagel)

How do they expect to port 4gl etc to later OS versions which required later
compiler versions?

Regards,
David.

On 09 August 2013 at 14:48 Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote:
> I spoke with IBM about this in early July and got the answer I posted
> "there are no plans ...". Certainly you can call and ask yourself if this
> has since been resolved and let us know. It would also be a good idea to
> enter a feature request (there is now an IBM Feature Request web page or
> you can just call support) for the tools you use (I4GL, R4GL, & ISQL) to be
> kept compatible with the current releases of the Informix Database engine.
>
> Personally I think that IBM has made a serious mistake on this.
> Historically, the tools are an important part of the Informix universe.
> The original company was Relational Database Systems and its original
> product, after CISAM (yes an Informix product) was the ISQL & 4GL
> application development environments which happened to come with a
> relational database built over CISAM. That database was what today is
> known as Informix Standard Engine and you got it free when you bought ISQL
> and/or 4GL. Originally you couldn't even buy the relational database
> separately! It was shortly after they realized the power and popularity of
> the Informix 4GL and Informix SQL products that they renamed the company to
> Informix Software back in 1983 or so. These "tools" aren't just legacy
> products, they are a Legacy.
>
> Anyway, I'm encouraging everyone who uses "tools" to enter a feature
> request to "Keep ISQL, C4GL, and R4GL installation and run time compatible
> with being installed in the same INFORMIXDIR with all currently supported
> Informix Dynamic Server database server software and CSDK releases".
>
> Art
>
> Art S. Kagel
> Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
> Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
>
> Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
> and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any
> other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
> implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
> other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor
> those of the entities themselves.
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM, francois.denommee@videotron.ca <
> francois.denommee@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> > =
> >
> > Art=2C
> > =
> >
> > Is there a chance IBM made a fix with more recent versions=2C cf IDS 12=2E=
> > 10 and CSDK 4=2E1 with informix 7=2E50 tools =3F Below an extract of on=
> > e support page =
> >
> > =
> >
> > http=3A//pic=2Edhe=2Eibm=2Ecom/infocenter/informix/v121/index=2Ejsp=3Fto=
> > pic=3D=252Fcom=2Eibm=2Epo=2Edoc=252Fproducts=2Ehtm
> > =
> >
> > IBM=AE Informix=AE 12=2E10 =
> >
> > Product versions =
> >
> > The Informix=AE family of products consists of the database server=2C ad=
> > ministration tools=2C client products=2C and more=2E
> > =
> >
> > For information about the kind of support available for your product ver=
> > sion=2C go to the Information Management Product Lifecycle page at http=3A=
> > //informix-myview=2Eblogspot=2Ecom/(http=3A//www=2Eibm=2Ecom/software/da=
> > ta/support/lifecycle/=22 target=3D=5Fblank=3Ehttp=3A//www=2Eibm=2Ecom/so=
> > ftware/data/support/lifecycle/=2E
> > Informix servers =
> >
> > IBM=AE Informix 12=2E10=2ExC1 =
> >
> > Client products =
> >
> > IBM Informix Client Software Development Kit=2C version 4=2E10=2ExC1
> > IBM Informix Connect=2C version 4=2E10=2ExC1
> > IBM Informix JDBC Driver=2C version 4=2E10=2EJC1
> > IBM Data Server Driver for JDBC and SQLJ=2C version 3=2E59
> > IBM Data Server Driver for ODBC and CLI=2C version 10=2E1=2E2
> > IBM Data Server Provider for =2ENET=2C version 10=2E1=2E2 (Windows onl=
> > y)
> > IBM Informix DataBlade=AE Developers Kit (DBDK)=2C version 4=2E20=2ExC=
> > 1
> > IBM Informix BladeManager=2C version 4=2E20=2ExC1
> > IBM Informix OLE DB Provider=2C version 4=2E10=2ExC1
> >
> > DataBlade modules =
> >
> > IBM Informix Excalibur Text Search DataBlade=2C version 1=2E31=2ExC1
> > IBM Informix Web DataBlade Module=2C version 4=2E13=2ExC4
> > Sample spatial data disks
> >
> > Globalization components =
> >
> > IBM Informix GLS=2C version 6=2E00=2ExC1
> > IBM Informix International Language Supplement=2C version 3=2E50=2EMC7=
> >
> > Informix tools =
> >
> > IBM Informix 4GL=2C version 7=2E50=2ExC6
> > IBM Informix Genero=AE=2C version 2=2E41
> > IBM OpenAdmin Tool (OAT) for Informix=2C version 3=2E11=2C which inclu=
> > des the following plug-in components=3A =
> >
> > IBM Informix Health Advisor Plug-in for OpenAdmin Tool (OAT)
> > IBM Informix Replication Plug-in for OpenAdmin Tool (OAT)
> > IBM Informix Schema Manager Plug-in for OpenAdmin Tool (OAT)
> > IBM Informix TimeSeries Plug-in for OpenAdmin Tool (OAT)
> >
> > IBM Mobile OpenAdmin Tool for Informix=2C version 1=2E1
> >
> > Informix solutions =
> >
> > IBM Informix Warehouse Accelerator=2C version 12=2E10=2ExC1
> > IBM Informix SQL Warehousing Tool=2C version 11=2E50 (supported by Inf=
> > ormix 11=2E50=2ExC3 and later versions)
> >
> > Informix virtual images =
> >
> > IBM Informix Enterprise Hypervisor Edition 12=2E10=2EFC1
> > IBM Informix 12=2E10=2ExC1 Virtual Appliance
> >
> > Additional IBM software =
> >
> > The following IBM products are provided in the package of some Informix =
> > editions=2E You can learn more about these products on ibm=2Ecom=AE=2E
> > =
> >
> > IBM Cognos=AE BI 10=2E2
> > IBM Data Studio 3=2E2
> > IBM Mobile Database 7=2E0
> > IBM Mobile Database Sync 1=2E0
> > IBM SPSS=AE Desktop 21
> > IBM SPSS Modeler 15 =
> >
> > =
> >
> > Regards
> > =
> >
> > Francois Denommee
> > =
> >
> > Le 08/08/13=2C Art Kagel =3Cart=2Ekagel=40gmail=2Ecom=3E a =E9crit =3A =
> >
> > =3E Informix tools (so I4GL=2C R4GL=2C and ISQL ) can no longer be inst=
> > alled in the =
> >
> > =3E same INFORMIXDIR as the database server itself=2E This is because IB=
> > M has =
> >
> > =3E made the decision that the last compile of these tools (IB it was wi=
> > th the =
> >
> > =3E CSDK v3=2E50=2EFC2) is the last compile=2E I was told that they =22h=
> > ave no plans =
> >
> > =3E to recompile the tools with the latest CSDK versions after that one=2E=
> > =22 =
> >
> > =3E Since some objects were moved from library to library and some inter=
> > nal =
> >
> > =3E function signatures have changed in the later CSDK versions=2C the t=
> > ools are =
> >
> > =3E no longer compatible with the engine=2E Whichever is installed first=
> > - =
> >
> > =3E whether tools or engine - will not run because of the shared library=
> > =
> >
> > =3E incompatibility=2E =
> >
> > =3E =
> >
> > =3E Here=27s the strangest one=3A I have a client who builds lots of cus=
> > tom =
> >
> > =3E sperform runners=2E If the runners contain any ESQL/C code=2C they h=
> > ave to be =
> >
> > =3E compiles in the engine=27s environment as static executables=2E Thes=
> > e runners =
> >
> > =3E can then run in either the ISQL/tools environment or the engine=27s =
> >
> > =3E environment=2E =
> >
> > =3E =
> >
> > =3E I would suggest that you port your 4GL applications to one of the 4G=
> > L =
> >
> > =3E clones=3A 4Js Genero=2C Querix Lycia-II=2C or Aubit4GL=2E Genero is =
> > sold and =
> >
> > =3E supported by IBM=2E Lycia is less expensive than Genero and Aubit4GL=
> > is open =
> >
> > =3E source and so free=2E Any of these will compile and run your 4GL sou=
> > rce at =
> >
> > =3E least as well as original Informix 4GL=2C will save you on support c=
> > osts =
> >
> > =3E (even after the new purchase in the case of Lycia and Aubit4GL)=2C a=
> > nd will =
> >
> > =3E be able to present your apps in GUI mode=2E Lycia and Genero can als=
> > o =
> >
> > =3E present your 4GL applications as web apps and on mobile devices (not=
> > sure =
> >
> > =3E if Aubit4GL got there yet - they were close last time I checked) and=
> > =
> >
> > =3E completely modernize them with little effort=2E =
> >
> > =3E =
> >
> > =3E Art =
> >
> > =3E =
> >
> > =3E Art S=2E Kagel =
> >
> > =3E Advanced DataTools (www=2Eadvancedatatools=2Ecom) =
> >
> > =3E Blog=3A
> >
> > --Boundary_(ID_5IA0KKwurMGNkSmh+xGeYA)
> >
> >
> >
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Messages In This Thread

• IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the same directory
  LICU GARCIA -- Thursday, 8 August 2013, at 8:04 p.m.
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    Luis Panozzo -- Thursday, 8 August 2013, at 8:27 p.m.
    • Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the same d....
      Art Kagel -- Thursday, 8 August 2013, at 8:51 p.m.
  • Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the same direc
    Art Kagel -- Thursday, 8 August 2013, at 8:50 p.m.
    • Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the same direc
      LICU GARCIA -- Thursday, 8 August 2013, at 11:43 p.m.
    • Re : Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the same
      francois.denommee@videotron.ca -- Friday, 9 August 2013, at 9:35 a.m.
      • Re: Re : Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in the s
        Art Kagel -- Friday, 9 August 2013, at 9:48 a.m.
        • Re: Re : Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in t....
          david@smooth1.co.uk -- Monday, 12 August 2013, at 7:11 p.m.
        • Re: Re : Re: IBM Informix - 4gl Installed in t....
          Art Kagel -- Monday, 12 August 2013, at 8:11 p.m.
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          david@smooth1.co.uk -- Friday, 24 April 2015, at 5:03 a.m.
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          Art Kagel -- Friday, 24 April 2015, at 6:29 a.m.
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